Can Hong Kong’s Resistance Win?

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Can Hong Kong’s Resistance Win?

Post by neverfail » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:13 am

A loss to Chinese authoritarianism would set a frightening precedent for the world.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/12/opin ... tests.html

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Re: Can Hong Kong’s Resistance Win?

Post by Sertorio » Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:51 am

neverfail wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:13 am
A loss to Chinese authoritarianism would set a frightening precedent for the world.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/12/opin ... tests.html
I suspect China will understand that preserving Hong Kong's difference is more important than diluting its identity in the main Chinese cultural environment. Provided Hong Kong and its people will subscribe China's main strategic objectives. It shouldn't be too hard to achieve...

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Re: Can Hong Kong’s Resistance Win?

Post by neverfail » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:14 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:51 am
neverfail wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:13 am
A loss to Chinese authoritarianism would set a frightening precedent for the world.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/12/opin ... tests.html
I suspect China will understand that preserving Hong Kong's difference is more important than diluting its identity in the main Chinese cultural environment. Provided Hong Kong and its people will subscribe China's main strategic objectives. It shouldn't be too hard to achieve...
As long as the public protests remain restricted to Hong Kong Beijing probably won't care. If the HK example spreads to other Chinese cities they will crack down on it brutally.

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Re: Can Hong Kong’s Resistance Win?

Post by Milo » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:43 pm

neverfail wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:14 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:51 am
neverfail wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:13 am
A loss to Chinese authoritarianism would set a frightening precedent for the world.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/12/opin ... tests.html
I suspect China will understand that preserving Hong Kong's difference is more important than diluting its identity in the main Chinese cultural environment. Provided Hong Kong and its people will subscribe China's main strategic objectives. It shouldn't be too hard to achieve...
As long as the public protests remain restricted to Hong Kong Beijing probably won't care. If the HK example spreads to other Chinese cities they will crack down on it brutally.
HK is still a very significant contributor to the PRC economy, though less so than the past. The PRC likely feels it can't afford a crackdown.

China continues to work a subtle colonialism on HK. It's been that way since they bailed out the business interests of Tung Chee-hwa in return for him aiding them in their encroachment.

It's very similar to their Belt and Road initiatives. They seem to emulate the Japanese in WWII, with their Co Prosperity Sphere. Thing is, it didn't bring prosperity to anyone, including the Japanese!

In the case of HK though, the PRC are being forced to be more subtle. Perhaps they will learn from it, although so far it appears they have not implemented the lesson the individualism is the only sure path to prosperity.

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Re: Can Hong Kong’s Resistance Win?

Post by neverfail » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:34 am

Milo wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:43 pm

It's very similar to their Belt and Road initiatives. They seem to emulate the Japanese in WWII, with their Co Prosperity Sphere. Thing is, it didn't bring prosperity to anyone, including the Japanese!
You are right that their so called Co-Prosperity Sphere" (a PR lie for straight out imperialist conquest, annexation and exploitation) did not bring the Japanese prosperity (as we define it today): but do not overlook the fact in those times prosperity was still associated with having an extensive empire to bolster the fortunes of the seat of empire. The Japanese regarded the British empire as their role model to emulate. (Empire? The word seems to have the same roots as emporium.) Adolf Hitler agreed with that precept which is why he was so keen to carve out Wohnraum (living space) in the Slavic east for then then still expanding German population. The Slavs were supposed to have been latter-day red Indians and the Germans latter-day Anglo-Americans.
Milo wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:43 pm
In the case of HK though, the PRC are being forced to be more subtle. Perhaps they will learn from it, although so far it appears they have not implemented the lesson the individualism is the only sure path to prosperity.
Milo, for decades now the PRC economy has been growing at a faster pace than that if the US, Canada or any other identifiable Western country. Were I Chinese the lesson I would probably take on board from that is that Western style individualism is probably something that we Chinese are better off without.

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Re: Can Hong Kong’s Resistance Win?

Post by Sertorio » Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:24 am

Milo wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:43 pm
(...)individualism is the only sure path to prosperity.
Sure. Individualism is the only sure path to INDIVIDUAL prosperity... ;)

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