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Re: Americans want more Taxes

Post by Milo » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:26 pm

Doc wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:25 am
Milo wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:39 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:04 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:46 am
Any politician, whether in government or seeking election, that can sell the public on the necessity of raising taxes is not a mere politician but truly a statesman.

The rub is that politicians are many and statesmen are very few.
These days it seems a lot of Americans are keen to raise taxes... just on other people.

They do not, however, actually want to pay more themselves: https://news.yahoo.com/trumps-tax-scam- ... 06749.html
The problem is the Americans who are most militant about low taxes keep voting for politicians who run enormous deficits instead.
I for one didn't vote for Obama. But the real issue is there doesn't seem to be many politicians in DC that honestly care about deficits.
When Republicans used that message and backlash to Obamacare to take over the House majority, he was put in charge of the Budget Committee and made a series of sleek videos pushing the convincing argument that the size of the debt would spell the end of the US economy. Bipartisan panels and commissions have made recommendations that offer variations on this theme.
The federal deficit is up 17% to $779 billion for the [2018] fiscal year, the most since 2012, when Ryan was the GOP candidate for vice president and Republicans were threatening to send the US off a fiscal cliff if spending wasn't brought under control. The national debt, by the way, is well on its way to $22 trillion. With a T.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/17/politics ... index.html

Republican voters are just a bunch of rubes being fleeced by the Carnys they elect. But like any small town rubes, they can't admit it, so they keep voting for the Carnys and projecting their shortcomings elsewhere, notably the Clintons.
Right "FREE STUFF" is a Republican slogan :roll:
Two years with the Republicans in charge of all the branches of government in America, after excoriating the Democrats for their deficits, and the deficits are bigger than ever.

Furthermore, they did not repeal the ACA, build the wall or prosecute the Clintons.

You've been had, again.

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Re: Americans want more Taxes

Post by Doc » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:25 pm

Milo wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:26 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:25 am
Milo wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:39 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:04 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:46 am
Any politician, whether in government or seeking election, that can sell the public on the necessity of raising taxes is not a mere politician but truly a statesman.

The rub is that politicians are many and statesmen are very few.
These days it seems a lot of Americans are keen to raise taxes... just on other people.

They do not, however, actually want to pay more themselves: https://news.yahoo.com/trumps-tax-scam- ... 06749.html
The problem is the Americans who are most militant about low taxes keep voting for politicians who run enormous deficits instead.
I for one didn't vote for Obama. But the real issue is there doesn't seem to be many politicians in DC that honestly care about deficits.
When Republicans used that message and backlash to Obamacare to take over the House majority, he was put in charge of the Budget Committee and made a series of sleek videos pushing the convincing argument that the size of the debt would spell the end of the US economy. Bipartisan panels and commissions have made recommendations that offer variations on this theme.
The federal deficit is up 17% to $779 billion for the [2018] fiscal year, the most since 2012, when Ryan was the GOP candidate for vice president and Republicans were threatening to send the US off a fiscal cliff if spending wasn't brought under control. The national debt, by the way, is well on its way to $22 trillion. With a T.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/17/politics ... index.html

Republican voters are just a bunch of rubes being fleeced by the Carnys they elect. But like any small town rubes, they can't admit it, so they keep voting for the Carnys and projecting their shortcomings elsewhere, notably the Clintons.
Right "FREE STUFF" is a Republican slogan :roll:
Two years with the Republicans in charge of all the branches of government in America, after excoriating the Democrats for their deficits, and the deficits are bigger than ever.

Furthermore, they did not repeal the ACA, build the wall or prosecute the Clintons.

You've been had, again.
Your facts are not actually facts. Obama was running deficits over 1 trillion dollars (Fun Fact: It takes 32 thousand years for 1 trillion seconds to pass) So far Trump's biggest PROJECTED deficit is $871 billion.
“"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros

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Re: Americans want more Taxes

Post by Milo » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:36 pm

Doc wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:25 pm
Milo wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:26 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:25 am
Milo wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:39 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:04 am
neverfail wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:46 am
Any politician, whether in government or seeking election, that can sell the public on the necessity of raising taxes is not a mere politician but truly a statesman.

The rub is that politicians are many and statesmen are very few.
These days it seems a lot of Americans are keen to raise taxes... just on other people.

They do not, however, actually want to pay more themselves: https://news.yahoo.com/trumps-tax-scam- ... 06749.html
The problem is the Americans who are most militant about low taxes keep voting for politicians who run enormous deficits instead.
I for one didn't vote for Obama. But the real issue is there doesn't seem to be many politicians in DC that honestly care about deficits.
When Republicans used that message and backlash to Obamacare to take over the House majority, he was put in charge of the Budget Committee and made a series of sleek videos pushing the convincing argument that the size of the debt would spell the end of the US economy. Bipartisan panels and commissions have made recommendations that offer variations on this theme.
The federal deficit is up 17% to $779 billion for the [2018] fiscal year, the most since 2012, when Ryan was the GOP candidate for vice president and Republicans were threatening to send the US off a fiscal cliff if spending wasn't brought under control. The national debt, by the way, is well on its way to $22 trillion. With a T.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/17/politics ... index.html

Republican voters are just a bunch of rubes being fleeced by the Carnys they elect. But like any small town rubes, they can't admit it, so they keep voting for the Carnys and projecting their shortcomings elsewhere, notably the Clintons.
Right "FREE STUFF" is a Republican slogan :roll:
Two years with the Republicans in charge of all the branches of government in America, after excoriating the Democrats for their deficits, and the deficits are bigger than ever.

Furthermore, they did not repeal the ACA, build the wall or prosecute the Clintons.

You've been had, again.
Your facts are not actually facts. Obama was running deficits over 1 trillion dollars (Fun Fact: It takes 32 thousand years for 1 trillion seconds to pass) So far Trump's biggest PROJECTED deficit is $871 billion.
Under Trump, budget deficit projected to reach $1 trillion

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... ed-to-rea/

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Re: Americans want more Taxes

Post by cassowary » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:04 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:03 pm
Taxes, Taxes And More Taxes: The Radical Economic Agenda Of The Left Has A Surprising Level Of Public Support

The left wants to raise your taxes, and most Americans are okay with that. I was shocked by the numbers that I am about to share with you, and I think that you will be shocked too. Once upon a time, being labeled as a “tax and spend liberal” was one of the worst things that could happen to a politician. During the presidential election of 1984, Walter Mondale was very honest about the fact that he wanted to raise taxes on the American people, and Ronald Reagan absolutely crushed him with that. In the end, it was one of the greatest election night landslides in history. But this time around we could potentially see the opposite. If things go badly for Trump, we could actually see a “tax and spend liberal” turn the map mostly blue in 2020. I know that sounds very, very strange, but the latest poll numbers show that the American people strongly support raising taxes on the wealthy.

For example, the most recent Politico poll found that 76 percent of registered voters believe that taxes should be raised on the richest Americans…

Surveys are showing overwhelming support for raising taxes on top earners, including a new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll released Monday that found 76 percent of registered voters believe the wealthiest Americans should pay more in taxes. A recent Fox News survey showed that 70 percent of Americans favor raising taxes on those earning over $10 million — including 54 percent of Republicans.

Those numbers are absolutely overwhelming.

When even a Fox News survey shows that most Republicans want higher taxes, then you know that something has dramatically changed.

And this high level of support for tax increases persists even when voters are asked about specific proposals from Democrats on the far left. If you can believe it, 59 percent of Americans are even in favor of AOC’s proposal to raise the highest marginal tax rate to 70 percent…

A plan from first-term Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) to slap a 70 percent marginal rate on income earned over $10 million clocked in at 59 percent support in a recent Hill/HarrisX poll.

The new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll, conducted Feb. 1-2, found that 61 percent favor a proposal like the “wealth tax” recently laid out by Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) that would levy a 2 percent tax on those with a net worth over $50 million and 3 percent on those worth over $1 billion. Just 20 percent opposed the idea. The poll surveyed 1,993 registered voters and carries a margin of error of plus or minus 2 percent.

To me, voting for politicians that unashamedly want higher taxes is kind of like voting for more root canals or more telemarketing calls during dinner.

But right now the poll numbers clearly show that the left is winning the battle for hearts and minds, and that is a huge problem for the Republican Party.

Today, many Democrats work very hard to fight for their agenda in the court of popular opinion, but meanwhile most Republicans in Congress are simply “seat fillers” that make absolutely no effort to educate the public. This is something that must change if Republicans hope to ever turn things around.

So why do Democrats want higher taxes?

Well, the primary reason they need higher taxes is to pay for multi-trillion dollar programs such as the “Green New Deal” and “Medicare For All”.

In particular, the “Green New Deal” would take an insane amount of money to implement. Here is a summary of some of the craziest proposals in the “Green New Deal” that was put together by Michael Palicz…

Rebuild every single building in the U.S.
“Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy efficiency.”

Will end all traditional forms of energy in the next ten years.
The Green New Deal is “a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions.”

Plans to ban nuclear energy within 10 years if possible.
“It’s unclear if we will be able to decommission every nuclear plant within 10 years, but the plan is to transition off of nuclear and all fossil fuels as soon as possible.”

Build trains across oceans and end all air travel!
“Build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary”.

Don’t invest in new technology of Carbon Capture and Storage, just plant trees instead!
“We believe the right way to capture carbon is to plant trees and restore our natural ecosystems. CCUS technology to date has not proven effective.”

Mandates all new jobs be unionized.
“Ensure that all GND jobs are union jobs that pay prevailing wages and hire local.”

Nobody knows for sure what all of that will cost, but needless to say the total would be in the trillions of dollars.

But most Americans are not in favor of higher taxes on the wealthy because they want to see such radical proposals come to fruition.

Rather, they like the idea of higher taxes because they think somehow they will get some goodies out of it.

In recent years, politicians on the far left have gotten a lot of mileage out of turning all of our basic needs into “rights”. They have been boldly declaring that all Americans should have a “right” to housing, health care and a basic college education even if they don’t want to work for those things.

But if you are “entitled” to something, then that means that somebody else has to pay for it.

And most Americans are in favor of that concept until it becomes their turn to pay.

The Babylon Bee is a satire website, and their recent article about taxes was quite humorous…

Americans all over the country suggested they are OK with a majority of the people voting to take a minority of the people’s money, as long as they are not part of that minority.

“I am a very generous person, so I believe everyone else needs to pay their fair share,” said Lyle Hartright of Maine. “Everyone that isn’t me, I mean.”

“These are stunning results,” said one analyst. “We always believed that Americans were generous, but we never knew how generous. To offer to raise taxes to 70% or more on other people just goes to show how much compassion people have.”

America has already traveled quite far down the road toward socialism, and instead of reversing course, it looks like the American people want to pick up the pace.

But all we have to do to see where that road leads is to look at Venezuela. Unfortunately, most Americans are not making that connection at this point.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/arch ... ic-support
Could it be that Americans are wiser than some people think?...
You mean dumber than some people think.
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Re: Americans want more Taxes

Post by neverfail » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:03 am

No cassowary, not "dumber" at all. Just sensible enough to be aware that if you want something, from government as from private enterprise, you have to be willing to pay for it.

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Re: Americans want more Taxes

Post by Doc » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:29 am

Milo wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:36 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:25 pm
Milo wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:26 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:25 am
Milo wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:39 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:04 am

These days it seems a lot of Americans are keen to raise taxes... just on other people.

They do not, however, actually want to pay more themselves: https://news.yahoo.com/trumps-tax-scam- ... 06749.html
The problem is the Americans who are most militant about low taxes keep voting for politicians who run enormous deficits instead.
I for one didn't vote for Obama. But the real issue is there doesn't seem to be many politicians in DC that honestly care about deficits.
When Republicans used that message and backlash to Obamacare to take over the House majority, he was put in charge of the Budget Committee and made a series of sleek videos pushing the convincing argument that the size of the debt would spell the end of the US economy. Bipartisan panels and commissions have made recommendations that offer variations on this theme.
The federal deficit is up 17% to $779 billion for the [2018] fiscal year, the most since 2012, when Ryan was the GOP candidate for vice president and Republicans were threatening to send the US off a fiscal cliff if spending wasn't brought under control. The national debt, by the way, is well on its way to $22 trillion. With a T.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/17/politics ... index.html

Republican voters are just a bunch of rubes being fleeced by the Carnys they elect. But like any small town rubes, they can't admit it, so they keep voting for the Carnys and projecting their shortcomings elsewhere, notably the Clintons.
Right "FREE STUFF" is a Republican slogan :roll:
Two years with the Republicans in charge of all the branches of government in America, after excoriating the Democrats for their deficits, and the deficits are bigger than ever.

Furthermore, they did not repeal the ACA, build the wall or prosecute the Clintons.

You've been had, again.
Your facts are not actually facts. Obama was running deficits over 1 trillion dollars (Fun Fact: It takes 32 thousand years for 1 trillion seconds to pass) So far Trump's biggest PROJECTED deficit is $871 billion.
Under Trump, budget deficit projected to reach $1 trillion

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... ed-to-rea/
**nearly** $1 trillion
The article does not say what the projected deficit actually is.

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/201 ... -20190129/

'19 deficit of $897B predicted


WASHINGTON -- A government report predicts the U.S. budget deficit will hit $897 billion this year, up $118 billion from last year's $779 billion deficit.

However, the budget deficit will not hit $1 trillion until fiscal 2022, two years later than previously projected, thanks in large part to planned budget cuts, according to the Congressional Budget Office, a nonpartisan arm of Congress.
“"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros

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Re: Americans want more Taxes

Post by Milo » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:05 pm

Doc wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:29 am
Milo wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:36 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:25 pm
Milo wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:26 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:25 am
Milo wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:39 am


The problem is the Americans who are most militant about low taxes keep voting for politicians who run enormous deficits instead.
I for one didn't vote for Obama. But the real issue is there doesn't seem to be many politicians in DC that honestly care about deficits.





https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/17/politics ... index.html

Republican voters are just a bunch of rubes being fleeced by the Carnys they elect. But like any small town rubes, they can't admit it, so they keep voting for the Carnys and projecting their shortcomings elsewhere, notably the Clintons.
Right "FREE STUFF" is a Republican slogan :roll:
Two years with the Republicans in charge of all the branches of government in America, after excoriating the Democrats for their deficits, and the deficits are bigger than ever.

Furthermore, they did not repeal the ACA, build the wall or prosecute the Clintons.

You've been had, again.
Your facts are not actually facts. Obama was running deficits over 1 trillion dollars (Fun Fact: It takes 32 thousand years for 1 trillion seconds to pass) So far Trump's biggest PROJECTED deficit is $871 billion.
Under Trump, budget deficit projected to reach $1 trillion

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... ed-to-rea/
**nearly** $1 trillion
The article does not say what the projected deficit actually is.

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/201 ... -20190129/

'19 deficit of $897B predicted


WASHINGTON -- A government report predicts the U.S. budget deficit will hit $897 billion this year, up $118 billion from last year's $779 billion deficit.

However, the budget deficit will not hit $1 trillion until fiscal 2022, two years later than previously projected, thanks in large part to planned budget cuts, according to the Congressional Budget Office, a nonpartisan arm of Congress.
Trump has increased the deficit since his tax cuts, that 's a fact. The deficit was lower before them.

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Re: Americans want more Taxes

Post by Doc » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:24 pm

Milo wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:05 pm
Doc wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:29 am
Milo wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:36 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:25 pm
Milo wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:26 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:25 am


I for one didn't vote for Obama. But the real issue is there doesn't seem to be many politicians in DC that honestly care about deficits.

Right "FREE STUFF" is a Republican slogan :roll:
Two years with the Republicans in charge of all the branches of government in America, after excoriating the Democrats for their deficits, and the deficits are bigger than ever.

Furthermore, they did not repeal the ACA, build the wall or prosecute the Clintons.

You've been had, again.
Your facts are not actually facts. Obama was running deficits over 1 trillion dollars (Fun Fact: It takes 32 thousand years for 1 trillion seconds to pass) So far Trump's biggest PROJECTED deficit is $871 billion.
Under Trump, budget deficit projected to reach $1 trillion

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... ed-to-rea/
**nearly** $1 trillion
The article does not say what the projected deficit actually is.

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/201 ... -20190129/

'19 deficit of $897B predicted


WASHINGTON -- A government report predicts the U.S. budget deficit will hit $897 billion this year, up $118 billion from last year's $779 billion deficit.

However, the budget deficit will not hit $1 trillion until fiscal 2022, two years later than previously projected, thanks in large part to planned budget cuts, according to the Congressional Budget Office, a nonpartisan arm of Congress.
Trump has increased the deficit since his tax cuts, that 's a fact. The deficit was lower before them.
My guess is that they would have been much larger if Hillary had won.
“"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros

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Re: Americans want more Taxes

Post by Doc » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:31 pm

Milo wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:05 pm
Doc wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:29 am
Milo wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:36 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:25 pm
Milo wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:26 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:25 am


I for one didn't vote for Obama. But the real issue is there doesn't seem to be many politicians in DC that honestly care about deficits.

Right "FREE STUFF" is a Republican slogan :roll:
Two years with the Republicans in charge of all the branches of government in America, after excoriating the Democrats for their deficits, and the deficits are bigger than ever.

Furthermore, they did not repeal the ACA, build the wall or prosecute the Clintons.

You've been had, again.
Your facts are not actually facts. Obama was running deficits over 1 trillion dollars (Fun Fact: It takes 32 thousand years for 1 trillion seconds to pass) So far Trump's biggest PROJECTED deficit is $871 billion.
Under Trump, budget deficit projected to reach $1 trillion

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... ed-to-rea/
**nearly** $1 trillion
The article does not say what the projected deficit actually is.

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/201 ... -20190129/

'19 deficit of $897B predicted


WASHINGTON -- A government report predicts the U.S. budget deficit will hit $897 billion this year, up $118 billion from last year's $779 billion deficit.

However, the budget deficit will not hit $1 trillion until fiscal 2022, two years later than previously projected, thanks in large part to planned budget cuts, according to the Congressional Budget Office, a nonpartisan arm of Congress.
Trump has increased the deficit since his tax cuts, that 's a fact. The deficit was lower before them.
My guess is that they would have been much larger if Hillary had won.
“"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros

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Re: Americans want more Taxes

Post by neverfail » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:25 pm

Doc wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:31 pm
My guess is that they would have been much larger if Hillary had won.
You guess may well have been right doc. Yet we will never know because Hillary lost.

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