War in Syria

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War in Syria

Post by Sertorio » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:44 am

The slow road to victory

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Re: War in Syria

Post by Jim the Moron » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:30 am

What constitutes "victory" in Syria?

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Re: War in Syria

Post by Sertorio » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:51 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:30 am
What constitutes "victory" in Syria?
The defeat of the US, the UK and France, and all their stooges in Syria. The reunification of an independent Syria.

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Re: War in Syria

Post by Jim the Moron » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:02 am

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:51 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:30 am
What constitutes "victory" in Syria?
The defeat of the US, the UK and France, and all their stooges in Syria. The reunification of an independent Syria.
Under whose leadership - the butcher Assad, or?

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Re: War in Syria

Post by Sertorio » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:29 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:02 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:51 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:30 am
What constitutes "victory" in Syria?
The defeat of the US, the UK and France, and all their stooges in Syria. The reunification of an independent Syria.
Under whose leadership - the butcher Assad, or?
Assad has been responsible for a lot less violence than any of the last few Presidents of the US.

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Re: War in Syria

Post by Jim the Moron » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:55 am

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:29 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:02 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:51 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:30 am
What constitutes "victory" in Syria?
The defeat of the US, the UK and France, and all their stooges in Syria. The reunification of an independent Syria.
Under whose leadership - the butcher Assad, or?
Assad has been responsible for a lot less violence than any of the last few Presidents of the US.
As it happens, I haven't been a fan of the foreign policies of "the last few Presidents of the US." But Assad is a barbarian, pleased to oversee barbaric practices upon his own people.

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Re: War in Syria

Post by Sertorio » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:21 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:55 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:29 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:02 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:51 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:30 am
What constitutes "victory" in Syria?
The defeat of the US, the UK and France, and all their stooges in Syria. The reunification of an independent Syria.
Under whose leadership - the butcher Assad, or?
Assad has been responsible for a lot less violence than any of the last few Presidents of the US.
As it happens, I haven't been a fan of the foreign policies of "the last few Presidents of the US." But Assad is a barbarian, pleased to oversee barbaric practices upon his own people.
Assad is the best chance Syria has to find peace and a more representative regime. You only have to see the policies of reconciliation with some of the rebel forces in Syria to realize that Assad is on the road to a more moderate regime. Thousands of former rebels have joined the Syrian arned forces, and opposition groups have agreed to cooperate with Assad in order to reestablish peace in the country. In some cases former rebel armed groups have taken up the task of, under the supervision of the Syrian government, policing the areas formerly under their control. But, of course, the Assad haters refuse to recognize this.

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Re: War in Syria

Post by dagbay » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:33 am

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:44 am
The slow road to victory

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I'm not so sure Sertorio but I understand where and how you have gotten that impression. Syria is now divided into several areas that will not come under Assad's control. There is the Latakia area with the port and Russian bases which is now de-facto Russian territory. The Russian Ruble and language are used there and no Muslim is allowed in without special invitation. Even Assad himself visited there recently to meet Putin but the event was used to humiliate Assad and put him in his place as a guest in his own former country. The Kurds do cooperate when it is convenient for them against Turky but have come to control the northeast of former Syria which they will not give up without a fight. The US is helping the Kurds prevent Assad from taking the important gas and oil fields in that region. The south east of former Syria is mostly a desert studded with small villages and is controlled by the ghost - the supposedly defeated and eradicated ISIS. That area is larger than Lebanon and every once in a while Assad sends his forces to test that front but without massive Russian air support, many of his soldiers return in bags. Finally the FSA or Sunni rebels who are being crushed by Russian demolition bombings are loosing ground but their war with the Shia/Alawiete Assad forces is a speck in the milenia long struggle between the two sects - Assad may end up with the upper hand in the south of former Syria but there is an endless supply of Sunnies who will join the fight in years to come till the last man standing.

Finally, Assad control is extended for the most part over land devoid of infrastructure and resources, fresh water is not available and the groundwater aquifers have receded to uneconomic depths. It is hard to imagine the butcher able to recover any government over the small part that remains in his control.
I'd rather be diving or flying alas for now I am on terra firma.

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Re: War in Syria

Post by SteveFoerster » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:34 am

dagbay wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:33 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:44 am
The slow road to victory

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There is the Latakia area with the port and Russian bases which is now de-facto Russian territory. The Russian Ruble and language are used there and no Muslim is allowed in without special invitation. Even Assad himself visited there recently to meet Putin but the event was used to humiliate Assad and put him in his place as a guest in his own former country.
Strangely, that bit isn't in SouthFront. :?
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Re: War in Syria

Post by Sertorio » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:24 pm

dagbay wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:33 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:44 am
The slow road to victory

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I'm not so sure Sertorio but I understand where and how you have gotten that impression. Syria is now divided into several areas that will not come under Assad's control. There is the Latakia area with the port and Russian bases which is now de-facto Russian territory. The Russian Ruble and language are used there and no Muslim is allowed in without special invitation. Even Assad himself visited there recently to meet Putin but the event was used to humiliate Assad and put him in his place as a guest in his own former country. The Kurds do cooperate when it is convenient for them against Turky but have come to control the northeast of former Syria which they will not give up without a fight. The US is helping the Kurds prevent Assad from taking the important gas and oil fields in that region. The south east of former Syria is mostly a desert studded with small villages and is controlled by the ghost - the supposedly defeated and eradicated ISIS. That area is larger than Lebanon and every once in a while Assad sends his forces to test that front but without massive Russian air support, many of his soldiers return in bags. Finally the FSA or Sunni rebels who are being crushed by Russian demolition bombings are loosing ground but their war with the Shia/Alawiete Assad forces is a speck in the milenia long struggle between the two sects - Assad may end up with the upper hand in the south of former Syria but there is an endless supply of Sunnies who will join the fight in years to come till the last man standing.

Finally, Assad control is extended for the most part over land devoid of infrastructure and resources, fresh water is not available and the groundwater aquifers have receded to uneconomic depths. It is hard to imagine the butcher able to recover any government over the small part that remains in his control.
I am a rather patient sort of bloke, but even I have trouble dealing with this heap of garbage. There isn't a word of truth in the whole piece... You must have had to dig pretty deep in the garbage dump to find this pearl...

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