Ben Hodges: whoever ends up controlling Crimea is the winner of the way

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Re: Ben Hodges: whoever ends up controlling Crimea is the winner of the way

Post by neverfail » Mon Oct 02, 2023 3:23 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 7:15 am
Being intelligent doesn't mean being capable of understanding an idiocy... After all the brains of idiots do not work in the same manner as those of normal people...
Well, on that point I suppose that you that being 'intelligent may not be the same as being shrewd.

Someone can qualify to be a professor and still lack what I believe black Americans refer to as "street smarts." :D

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Re: Ben Hodges: whoever ends up controlling Crimea is the winner of the way

Post by cassowary » Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:00 am

neverfail wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 3:23 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 7:15 am
Being intelligent doesn't mean being capable of understanding an idiocy... After all the brains of idiots do not work in the same manner as those of normal people...
Well, on that point I suppose that you that being 'intelligent may not be the same as being shrewd.

Someone can qualify to be a professor and still lack what I believe black Americans refer to as "street smarts." :D
To Sertorio, anyone who does not agree with him and Putin is an idiot. Anybody who agrees are intelligent.
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Re: Ben Hodges: whoever ends up controlling Crimea is the winner of the way

Post by SteveFoerster » Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:06 am

cassowary wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:00 am
neverfail wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 3:23 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 7:15 am
Being intelligent doesn't mean being capable of understanding an idiocy... After all the brains of idiots do not work in the same manner as those of normal people...
Well, on that point I suppose that you that being 'intelligent may not be the same as being shrewd.

Someone can qualify to be a professor and still lack what I believe black Americans refer to as "street smarts." :D
To Sertorio, anyone who does not agree with him and Putin is an idiot. Anybody who agrees are intelligent.
Yes, it really is a very tiresome affectation.
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Re: Ben Hodges: whoever ends up controlling Crimea is the winner of the way

Post by cassowary » Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:33 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:06 am
cassowary wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:00 am
neverfail wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 3:23 pm
Sertorio wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2023 7:15 am
Being intelligent doesn't mean being capable of understanding an idiocy... After all the brains of idiots do not work in the same manner as those of normal people...
Well, on that point I suppose that you that being 'intelligent may not be the same as being shrewd.

Someone can qualify to be a professor and still lack what I believe black Americans refer to as "street smarts." :D
To Sertorio, anyone who does not agree with him and Putin is an idiot. Anybody who agrees are intelligent.
Yes, it really is a very tiresome affectation.
This may not be Sertorio’s only affectation. According to Keir Giles, pro Russian trolls are often alienated misfits who hate their own side and so seek revenge. During the Cold War, the KGB used to look for such people to recruit as spies or propagandists.
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Re: Ben Hodges: whoever ends up controlling Crimea is the winner of the way

Post by neverfail » Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:42 pm

You can see that Crimea is what this conflict is all about.

Evidence lies in the pains that Russia has taken to overrun and armour the Asov coastline corridoer connecting Crimea by land to Russia proper.

(Not to mention the cost of that civil engineering marvel the Kirsh bridge.)

Why is Crimea so valuable? Because the Sevastopol naval base is located there. It is that which allows Russian governments to project power south all the way to Syria and beyond. Conversely, in Russian hands it limits Ukranian access to the Blsck Sea rendering Russia the power broker that controls Ukraine's international relations and with it Ukraine's destiny.

( Well, changing war technology, such as those successfull Ukranian drone attacks on the Sevastipol complex might have devalued that somewhat. :D )

Back in Ukranian hands Ukraine both removes a permanent thorn from its side and gains Ukraine additional leverage with its Black Sea littoral neighbours. It also somewhat disempowers mRussia from being such an unfriendly, overbearing neighbour.

For both sides the stakes are high.

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Re: Ben Hodges: whoever ends up controlling Crimea is the winner of the way

Post by cassowary » Tue Oct 03, 2023 6:36 pm

neverfail wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:42 pm
You can see that Crimea is what this conflict is all about.

Evidence lies in the pains that Russia has taken to overrun and armour the Asov coastline corridoer connecting Crimea by land to Russia proper.

(Not to mention the cost of that civil engineering marvel the Kirsh bridge.)

Why is Crimea so valuable? Because the Sevastopol naval base is located there. It is that which allows Russian governments to project power south all the way to Syria and beyond. Conversely, in Russian hands it limits Ukranian access to the Blsck Sea rendering Russia the power broker that controls Ukraine's international relations and with it Ukraine's destiny.

( Well, changing war technology, such as those successfull Ukranian drone attacks on the Sevastipol complex might have devalued that somewhat. :D )

Back in Ukranian hands Ukraine both removes a permanent thorn from its side and gains Ukraine additional leverage with its Black Sea littoral neighbours. It also somewhat disempowers mRussia from being such an unfriendly, overbearing neighbour.

For both sides the stakes are high.
Yes, that’s right. The Donbas does not have this kind of strategic value. That’s why Ben Hodges said whoever wins Crimea, wins the war.
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Re: Ben Hodges: whoever ends up controlling Crimea is the winner of the way

Post by Sertorio » Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:16 am

neverfail wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:42 pm
You can see that Crimea is what this conflict is all about.

Evidence lies in the pains that Russia has taken to overrun and armour the Asov coastline corridoer connecting Crimea by land to Russia proper.

(Not to mention the cost of that civil engineering marvel the Kirsh bridge.)

Why is Crimea so valuable? Because the Sevastopol naval base is located there. It is that which allows Russian governments to project power south all the way to Syria and beyond. Conversely, in Russian hands it limits Ukranian access to the Blsck Sea rendering Russia the power broker that controls Ukraine's international relations and with it Ukraine's destiny.

( Well, changing war technology, such as those successfull Ukranian drone attacks on the Sevastipol complex might have devalued that somewhat. :D )

Back in Ukranian hands Ukraine both removes a permanent thorn from its side and gains Ukraine additional leverage with its Black Sea littoral neighbours. It also somewhat disempowers mRussia from being such an unfriendly, overbearing neighbour.

For both sides the stakes are high.
Pity Crimea is inhabited mostly by Russians... But maybe the Ukrainian government could have them expelled... :D

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Re: Ben Hodges: whoever ends up controlling Crimea is the winner of the way

Post by cassowary » Wed Oct 04, 2023 4:09 am

Sertorio wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:16 am
neverfail wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:42 pm
You can see that Crimea is what this conflict is all about.

Evidence lies in the pains that Russia has taken to overrun and armour the Asov coastline corridoer connecting Crimea by land to Russia proper.

(Not to mention the cost of that civil engineering marvel the Kirsh bridge.)

Why is Crimea so valuable? Because the Sevastopol naval base is located there. It is that which allows Russian governments to project power south all the way to Syria and beyond. Conversely, in Russian hands it limits Ukranian access to the Blsck Sea rendering Russia the power broker that controls Ukraine's international relations and with it Ukraine's destiny.

( Well, changing war technology, such as those successfull Ukranian drone attacks on the Sevastipol complex might have devalued that somewhat. :D )

Back in Ukranian hands Ukraine both removes a permanent thorn from its side and gains Ukraine additional leverage with its Black Sea littoral neighbours. It also somewhat disempowers mRussia from being such an unfriendly, overbearing neighbour.

For both sides the stakes are high.
Pity Crimea is inhabited mostly by Russians... But maybe the Ukrainian government could have them expelled... :D
Well, the Russians expelled the Tartars during Stalin's time, I think. Then after 2014, Russia got
ethnic Russians to migrate to crimea. Those that came after 2014 should be expelled after
Ukraine takes over.
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Re: Ben Hodges: whoever ends up controlling Crimea is the winner of the way

Post by Sertorio » Wed Oct 04, 2023 4:23 am

cassowary wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 4:09 am
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:16 am
neverfail wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:42 pm
You can see that Crimea is what this conflict is all about.

Evidence lies in the pains that Russia has taken to overrun and armour the Asov coastline corridoer connecting Crimea by land to Russia proper.

(Not to mention the cost of that civil engineering marvel the Kirsh bridge.)

Why is Crimea so valuable? Because the Sevastopol naval base is located there. It is that which allows Russian governments to project power south all the way to Syria and beyond. Conversely, in Russian hands it limits Ukranian access to the Blsck Sea rendering Russia the power broker that controls Ukraine's international relations and with it Ukraine's destiny.

( Well, changing war technology, such as those successfull Ukranian drone attacks on the Sevastipol complex might have devalued that somewhat. :D )

Back in Ukranian hands Ukraine both removes a permanent thorn from its side and gains Ukraine additional leverage with its Black Sea littoral neighbours. It also somewhat disempowers mRussia from being such an unfriendly, overbearing neighbour.

For both sides the stakes are high.
Pity Crimea is inhabited mostly by Russians... But maybe the Ukrainian government could have them expelled... :D
Well, the Russians expelled the Tartars during Stalin's time, I think. Then after 2014, Russia got
ethnic Russians to migrate to crimea. Those that came after 2014 should be expelled after
Ukraine takes over.
Ethnic cleansing is fine with you, I see... :lol:

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Re: Ben Hodges: whoever ends up controlling Crimea is the winner of the way

Post by cassowary » Wed Oct 04, 2023 7:12 am

Sertorio wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 4:23 am
cassowary wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 4:09 am
Sertorio wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:16 am
neverfail wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:42 pm
You can see that Crimea is what this conflict is all about.

Evidence lies in the pains that Russia has taken to overrun and armour the Asov coastline corridoer connecting Crimea by land to Russia proper.

(Not to mention the cost of that civil engineering marvel the Kirsh bridge.)

Why is Crimea so valuable? Because the Sevastopol naval base is located there. It is that which allows Russian governments to project power south all the way to Syria and beyond. Conversely, in Russian hands it limits Ukranian access to the Blsck Sea rendering Russia the power broker that controls Ukraine's international relations and with it Ukraine's destiny.

( Well, changing war technology, such as those successfull Ukranian drone attacks on the Sevastipol complex might have devalued that somewhat. :D )

Back in Ukranian hands Ukraine both removes a permanent thorn from its side and gains Ukraine additional leverage with its Black Sea littoral neighbours. It also somewhat disempowers mRussia from being such an unfriendly, overbearing neighbour.

For both sides the stakes are high.
Pity Crimea is inhabited mostly by Russians... But maybe the Ukrainian government could have them expelled... :D
Well, the Russians expelled the Tartars during Stalin's time, I think. Then after 2014, Russia got
ethnic Russians to migrate to crimea. Those that came after 2014 should be expelled after
Ukraine takes over.
Ethnic cleansing is fine with you, I see... :lol:
These Russians came in after Russia illegally occupied Crimea in 2014
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