Ukraine might suffer defeat due to manpower shortaage.

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Re: Ukraine might suffer defeat due to manpower shortaage.

Post by Sertorio » Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:37 am

I'm looking forward to your comments after Russia has beat NATO in the Ukraine... What excuses will you find? Who are you going to blame?... :lol:

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Re: Ukraine might suffer defeat due to manpower shortaage.

Post by Milo » Tue Oct 03, 2023 1:48 am

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:37 am
I'm looking forward to your comments after Russia has beat NATO in the Ukraine... What excuses will you find? Who are you going to blame?... :lol:
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Re: Ukraine might suffer defeat due to manpower shortaage.

Post by SteveFoerster » Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:06 am

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:37 am
I'm looking forward to your comments after Russia has beat NATO in the Ukraine... What excuses will you find? Who are you going to blame?... :lol:
Russia isn't fighting NATO in Ukraine, Russia is fighting Ukraine in Ukraine.
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Re: Ukraine might suffer defeat due to manpower shortaage.

Post by Sertorio » Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:36 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:06 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:37 am
I'm looking forward to your comments after Russia has beat NATO in the Ukraine... What excuses will you find? Who are you going to blame?... :lol:
Russia isn't fighting NATO in Ukraine, Russia is fighting Ukraine in Ukraine.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Ukraine might suffer defeat due to manpower shortaage.

Post by SteveFoerster » Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:56 am

Sertorio wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:36 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:06 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:37 am
I'm looking forward to your comments after Russia has beat NATO in the Ukraine... What excuses will you find? Who are you going to blame?... :lol:
Russia isn't fighting NATO in Ukraine, Russia is fighting Ukraine in Ukraine.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
You have no words because know I'm right. Or is it your position that NATO is fighting Iran and North Korea in Ukraine, since they're supplying materiel to Russia?
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Re: Ukraine might suffer defeat due to manpower shortaage.

Post by cassowary » Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:25 am

SteveFoerster wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:56 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:36 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:06 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:37 am
I'm looking forward to your comments after Russia has beat NATO in the Ukraine... What excuses will you find? Who are you going to blame?... :lol:
Russia isn't fighting NATO in Ukraine, Russia is fighting Ukraine in Ukraine.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
You have no words because know I'm right. Or is it your position that NATO is fighting Iran and North Korea in Ukraine, since they're supplying materiel to Russia?
To some extent, that’s true. Warfare is not just fought by soldiers by also by each sides industrial capacity to manufacture weapons and ammunition. So it’s NATO + Ukraine vs Russia + N Korea + Iran.

To be sure no NATO soldier is fighting in Ukraine buts its weapons and ammunition are.
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Re: Ukraine might suffer defeat due to manpower shortaage.

Post by SteveFoerster » Tue Oct 03, 2023 11:26 am

cassowary wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:25 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:56 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:36 am
SteveFoerster wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:06 am
Sertorio wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:37 am
I'm looking forward to your comments after Russia has beat NATO in the Ukraine... What excuses will you find? Who are you going to blame?... :lol:
Russia isn't fighting NATO in Ukraine, Russia is fighting Ukraine in Ukraine.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
You have no words because know I'm right. Or is it your position that NATO is fighting Iran and North Korea in Ukraine, since they're supplying materiel to Russia?
To some extent, that’s true. Warfare is not just fought by soldiers by also by each sides industrial capacity to manufacture weapons and ammunition. So it’s NATO + Ukraine vs Russia + N Korea + Iran.

To be sure no NATO soldier is fighting in Ukraine buts its weapons and ammunition are.
Depending on whether Russia's nuclear weapons still work, if NATO were really fighting Russia then either we'd have seen regime change in Moscow a year ago or else the world would lie in radioactive ruins.
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Re: Ukraine might suffer defeat due to manpower shortaage.

Post by neverfail » Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:04 pm

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Weapons are like tools. NATO might be providing the tools but Ukranians are using therm.

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Re: Ukraine might suffer defeat due to manpower shortaage.

Post by neverfail » Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:29 pm

Closer to the beginning of this conflict Sertorio pointed out how in the very first week of the invasion the Zelinsky government placed a ban on Ukraanian men of military age leaving the country. It was/is a wise move; for it seems that from the start Zelinsky understood that manpower for the armed forces (or a shortage thereof) was Ukraine's Achelles heel.

He also pointed out that Putin had placed no such ban on Russians leaving for foreign destinations like Georgia and tried to make out that this reflected ( :lol: oh really!) greater liberalism on the part of the Russian government. No! what is more likely reflected (the method in the apparent madmness of this move) was that it discharged a potential block of opposition within to his ambition. Had he prevented them from leaving these would have likely organised and participated in sterrt protest demonstrations against his policy whereas marooned in foreign parts they are politically neutered.

Meantime, Russia still has plenty of other "young patriotic Russians" (i.e. Putin dupes) who as army reservists can still be called up as needed.

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Re: Ukraine might suffer defeat due to manpower shortaage.

Post by Sertorio » Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:32 pm

neverfail wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:29 pm
Closer to the beginning of this conflict Sertorio pointed out how in the very first week of the invasion the Zelinsky government placed a ban on Ukraanian men of military age leaving the country. It was/is a wise move; for it seems that from the start Zelinsky understood that manpower for the armed forces (or a shortage thereof) was Ukraine's Achelles heel.

He also pointed out that Putin had placed no such ban on Russians leaving for foreign destinations like Georgia and tried to make out that this reflected ( :lol: oh really!) greater liberalism on the part of the Russian government. No! what is more likely reflected (the method in the apparent madmness of this move) was that it discharged a potential block of opposition within to his ambition. Had he prevented them from leaving these would have likely organised and participated in sterrt protest demonstrations against his policy whereas marooned in foreign parts they are politically neutered.

Meantime, Russia still has plenty of other "young patriotic Russians" (i.e. Putin dupes) who as army reservists can still be called up as needed.
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