My Analysis of Sertorio

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Re: My Analysis of Sertorio

Post by lzzrdgrrl » Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:27 pm

cassowary wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:50 pm
lzzrdgrrl wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:45 pm
Yes.....^^........
This is a weird but interesting group. What other songs do they have?
This is a compendium of their various releases. Some are quirky like 'Frontier', others explore differing genres of music:

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9d ... LnnHkituVZ
I have a certain notoriety among the lesser gods........

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Re: My Analysis of Sertorio

Post by cassowary » Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:48 pm

lzzrdgrrl wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:27 pm
cassowary wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:50 pm
lzzrdgrrl wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:45 pm
Yes.....^^........
This is a weird but interesting group. What other songs do they have?
This is a compendium of their various releases. Some are quirky like 'Frontier', others explore differing genres of music:

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9d ... LnnHkituVZ
Thanks Lizzygirl. This is a wacky group.
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Lie down on that couch

Post by cassowary » Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:43 pm

Escaped Uighur woman tells a horror story of rape and torture in detention camps.
According to independent estimates, more than a million men and women have been detained in the sprawling network of camps, which China says exist for the "re-education" of the Uighurs and other minorities.

Human rights groups say the Chinese government has gradually stripped away the religious and other freedoms of the Uighurs, culminating in an oppressive system of mass surveillance, detention, indoctrination, and even forced sterilisation .
Inability to face facts is usually a sign of pain. For example, a doting mother of a teen who sole often cannot believe her son is a thief.

It is too painful to believe it.
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Re: Lie down on that couch

Post by Sertorio » Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:53 am

cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:43 pm
Escaped Uighur woman tells a horror story of rape and torture in detention camps.
According to independent estimates, more than a million men and women have been detained in the sprawling network of camps, which China says exist for the "re-education" of the Uighurs and other minorities.

Human rights groups say the Chinese government has gradually stripped away the religious and other freedoms of the Uighurs, culminating in an oppressive system of mass surveillance, detention, indoctrination, and even forced sterilisation .
Inability to face facts is usually a sign of pain. For example, a doting mother of a teen who sole often cannot believe her son is a thief.

It is too painful to believe it.
The "independent sources" were the BBC, which shows how "independent" they are...

Well, let's see:
More than 35 countries defend China over mass detention of Uighur Muslims in UN letter
by Nick Cumming-Bruce
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 03281.html

More than 30 countries have signed a letter defending China's treatment of Uighur Muslims in the Xinjiang region in response to Western criticism.

Ambassadors of 37 states from Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Latin America praised China’s “contribution to the international human rights cause” in the letter sent to the UN's Human Rights Council on Friday.

The states, including prominent members of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, said China had faced terrorism, separatism and religious extremism in Xinjiang.

But the signatories said China had restored peace and security in the region through counterterrorism measures and vocational training.

“We note with appreciation that human rights are respected and protected in China in the process of counterterrorism and de-radicalisation,” the letter read.

The letter was a riposte to the action taken by 22 mainly European countries at the start of the week.

They had urged China to halt the arbitrary detention of Xinjiang’s ethnic Uighurs and other minority groups, which academics and human rights groups estimate have swept around one million people into forced re-education.
(...)
The letter from the 37 countries lauded China’s “remarkable achievements in the field of human rights” and particularly its contribution to “protecting and promoting human rights through development”.
(...)
Have human rights been denied in China? Very probably. But let's not forget that there are over 12 million Uighurs in China. And that Muslims everywhere in the world have some pretty radical wings which are prepared to use violence and terrorism. China's approach may be unusual and at times excessively violent. But they are trying to decrease the number of radically minded people among the Uyghurs, and the Communist "reeducation" process may be debatable, but it may lead to the younger Uyghurs being led away from violence. Even if the 1 million figure is correct - which is debatable - it is still less than 10% of the Uyghur population. Let's not forget that Singapore used similar methods while fighting drug addiction, and you probably thought it was a good and successful way to deal with the situation.

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Re: Lie down on that couch

Post by cassowary » Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:41 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:53 am
cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:43 pm
Escaped Uighur woman tells a horror story of rape and torture in detention camps.
According to independent estimates, more than a million men and women have been detained in the sprawling network of camps, which China says exist for the "re-education" of the Uighurs and other minorities.

Human rights groups say the Chinese government has gradually stripped away the religious and other freedoms of the Uighurs, culminating in an oppressive system of mass surveillance, detention, indoctrination, and even forced sterilisation .
Inability to face facts is usually a sign of pain. For example, a doting mother of a teen who sole often cannot believe her son is a thief.

It is too painful to believe it.
The "independent sources" were the BBC, which shows how "independent" they are...

Well, let's see:
More than 35 countries defend China over mass detention of Uighur Muslims in UN letter
by Nick Cumming-Bruce
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 03281.html

More than 30 countries have signed a letter defending China's treatment of Uighur Muslims in the Xinjiang region in response to Western criticism.

Ambassadors of 37 states from Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Latin America praised China’s “contribution to the international human rights cause” in the letter sent to the UN's Human Rights Council on Friday.

The states, including prominent members of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, said China had faced terrorism, separatism and religious extremism in Xinjiang.

But the signatories said China had restored peace and security in the region through counterterrorism measures and vocational training.

“We note with appreciation that human rights are respected and protected in China in the process of counterterrorism and de-radicalisation,” the letter read.

The letter was a riposte to the action taken by 22 mainly European countries at the start of the week.

They had urged China to halt the arbitrary detention of Xinjiang’s ethnic Uighurs and other minority groups, which academics and human rights groups estimate have swept around one million people into forced re-education.
(...)
The letter from the 37 countries lauded China’s “remarkable achievements in the field of human rights” and particularly its contribution to “protecting and promoting human rights through development”.
(...)
Have human rights been denied in China? Very probably. But let's not forget that there are over 12 million Uighurs in China. And that Muslims everywhere in the world have some pretty radical wings which are prepared to use violence and terrorism. China's approach may be unusual and at times excessively violent. But they are trying to decrease the number of radically minded people among the Uyghurs, and the Communist "reeducation" process may be debatable, but it may lead to the younger Uyghurs being led away from violence. Even if the 1 million figure is correct - which is debatable - it is still less than 10% of the Uyghur population. Let's not forget that Singapore used similar methods while fighting drug addiction, and you probably thought it was a good and successful way to deal with the situation.
In Singapore there are no reports of rape by released drug addicts after they rehabilated. The countries that signed a declaration defending China were likely all human rights abuses themselves. Organisations like Amnesty International have long complained that China is a major human rights abuser.
Signers of the pro-China letter, including Russia, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela, also took the opportunity to repeat a position frequently expressed in the UN's Human Rights Council opposing the “naming and shaming and publicly exerting pressure on other countries” by calling them to account for human rights violations.
Signatories included Russia, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela - all human rights abusers.

The US by comparison has little complaints from human rights watch dogs. Yet you support China, defend it and condemn the US. That does not make sense to me.
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Re: Lie down on that couch

Post by Sertorio » Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:00 am

cassowary wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:41 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:53 am
cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:43 pm
Escaped Uighur woman tells a horror story of rape and torture in detention camps.
According to independent estimates, more than a million men and women have been detained in the sprawling network of camps, which China says exist for the "re-education" of the Uighurs and other minorities.

Human rights groups say the Chinese government has gradually stripped away the religious and other freedoms of the Uighurs, culminating in an oppressive system of mass surveillance, detention, indoctrination, and even forced sterilisation .
Inability to face facts is usually a sign of pain. For example, a doting mother of a teen who sole often cannot believe her son is a thief.

It is too painful to believe it.
The "independent sources" were the BBC, which shows how "independent" they are...

Well, let's see:
More than 35 countries defend China over mass detention of Uighur Muslims in UN letter
by Nick Cumming-Bruce
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 03281.html

More than 30 countries have signed a letter defending China's treatment of Uighur Muslims in the Xinjiang region in response to Western criticism.

Ambassadors of 37 states from Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Latin America praised China’s “contribution to the international human rights cause” in the letter sent to the UN's Human Rights Council on Friday.

The states, including prominent members of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, said China had faced terrorism, separatism and religious extremism in Xinjiang.

But the signatories said China had restored peace and security in the region through counterterrorism measures and vocational training.

“We note with appreciation that human rights are respected and protected in China in the process of counterterrorism and de-radicalisation,” the letter read.

The letter was a riposte to the action taken by 22 mainly European countries at the start of the week.

They had urged China to halt the arbitrary detention of Xinjiang’s ethnic Uighurs and other minority groups, which academics and human rights groups estimate have swept around one million people into forced re-education.
(...)
The letter from the 37 countries lauded China’s “remarkable achievements in the field of human rights” and particularly its contribution to “protecting and promoting human rights through development”.
(...)
Have human rights been denied in China? Very probably. But let's not forget that there are over 12 million Uighurs in China. And that Muslims everywhere in the world have some pretty radical wings which are prepared to use violence and terrorism. China's approach may be unusual and at times excessively violent. But they are trying to decrease the number of radically minded people among the Uyghurs, and the Communist "reeducation" process may be debatable, but it may lead to the younger Uyghurs being led away from violence. Even if the 1 million figure is correct - which is debatable - it is still less than 10% of the Uyghur population. Let's not forget that Singapore used similar methods while fighting drug addiction, and you probably thought it was a good and successful way to deal with the situation.
In Singapore there are no reports of rape by released drug addicts after they rehabilated. The countries that signed a declaration defending China were likely all human rights abuses themselves. Organisations like Amnesty International have long complained that China is a major human rights abuser.
Signers of the pro-China letter, including Russia, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela, also took the opportunity to repeat a position frequently expressed in the UN's Human Rights Council opposing the “naming and shaming and publicly exerting pressure on other countries” by calling them to account for human rights violations.
Signatories included Russia, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela - all human rights abusers.

The US by comparison has little complaints from human rights watch dogs. Yet you support China, defend it and condemn the US. That does not make sense to me.
Guantanamo is a model of respect for human rights...

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Re: Lie down on that couch

Post by cassowary » Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:20 am

Sertorio wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:00 am
cassowary wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:41 am
Sertorio wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:53 am
cassowary wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:43 pm
Escaped Uighur woman tells a horror story of rape and torture in detention camps.
According to independent estimates, more than a million men and women have been detained in the sprawling network of camps, which China says exist for the "re-education" of the Uighurs and other minorities.

Human rights groups say the Chinese government has gradually stripped away the religious and other freedoms of the Uighurs, culminating in an oppressive system of mass surveillance, detention, indoctrination, and even forced sterilisation .
Inability to face facts is usually a sign of pain. For example, a doting mother of a teen who sole often cannot believe her son is a thief.

It is too painful to believe it.
The "independent sources" were the BBC, which shows how "independent" they are...

Well, let's see:
More than 35 countries defend China over mass detention of Uighur Muslims in UN letter
by Nick Cumming-Bruce
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 03281.html

More than 30 countries have signed a letter defending China's treatment of Uighur Muslims in the Xinjiang region in response to Western criticism.

Ambassadors of 37 states from Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Latin America praised China’s “contribution to the international human rights cause” in the letter sent to the UN's Human Rights Council on Friday.

The states, including prominent members of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, said China had faced terrorism, separatism and religious extremism in Xinjiang.

But the signatories said China had restored peace and security in the region through counterterrorism measures and vocational training.

“We note with appreciation that human rights are respected and protected in China in the process of counterterrorism and de-radicalisation,” the letter read.

The letter was a riposte to the action taken by 22 mainly European countries at the start of the week.

They had urged China to halt the arbitrary detention of Xinjiang’s ethnic Uighurs and other minority groups, which academics and human rights groups estimate have swept around one million people into forced re-education.
(...)
The letter from the 37 countries lauded China’s “remarkable achievements in the field of human rights” and particularly its contribution to “protecting and promoting human rights through development”.
(...)
Have human rights been denied in China? Very probably. But let's not forget that there are over 12 million Uighurs in China. And that Muslims everywhere in the world have some pretty radical wings which are prepared to use violence and terrorism. China's approach may be unusual and at times excessively violent. But they are trying to decrease the number of radically minded people among the Uyghurs, and the Communist "reeducation" process may be debatable, but it may lead to the younger Uyghurs being led away from violence. Even if the 1 million figure is correct - which is debatable - it is still less than 10% of the Uyghur population. Let's not forget that Singapore used similar methods while fighting drug addiction, and you probably thought it was a good and successful way to deal with the situation.
In Singapore there are no reports of rape by released drug addicts after they rehabilated. The countries that signed a declaration defending China were likely all human rights abuses themselves. Organisations like Amnesty International have long complained that China is a major human rights abuser.
Signers of the pro-China letter, including Russia, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela, also took the opportunity to repeat a position frequently expressed in the UN's Human Rights Council opposing the “naming and shaming and publicly exerting pressure on other countries” by calling them to account for human rights violations.
Signatories included Russia, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela - all human rights abusers.

The US by comparison has little complaints from human rights watch dogs. Yet you support China, defend it and condemn the US. That does not make sense to me.
Guantanamo is a model of respect for human rights...
But those were members of al Qaeda who want to kill people. It’s not possible that 1 million Uighurs are violent militants.

Also there are only 40 people left in Guantanamo out of 780 originally. 40 vs 1 million.

Sounds like you are scraping the bottom of the barrel.
The Imp :D

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