"You can never be China's friend" : D. Goldman

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"You can never be China's friend" : D. Goldman

Post by neverfail » Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:18 pm

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/10/artic ... -spengler/
What, in your view, is the biggest misconception about China in the West?

The single biggest misconception is that you have a wicked government and a good people. The Chinese have had 3,000 years for the government and the people to shape each other. The institution in the West that most closely resembles the Chinese system is, in fact, the Sicilian mafia. You have a capo di tutti capi who prevents the other capi from killing each other. Because they’re natural anarchists, they don’t like any form of government. They’re loyal to their families. The emperor is nothing but a necessary evil. The idea of public trust and subsidiarity that’s fundamental to democracy is unknown to the Chinese.
:lol: There is one particular person of Chinese ancestry we all know and love who reveals himself every other post to be steeped in this particular take on the relationship of civil society to government.
What holds a country of anarchists together, if not the emperor?

There’s an old joke about [former American President] Eisenhower and [former Israeli Prime Minister] Ben Gurion from the 1950’s. Eisenhower tells Ben Gurion, “It’s hard to be president to 200 million Americans.” And Ben Gurion says, “It’s even harder to be prime minister of 2 million prime ministers.”

Well, China is a country of 1.4 billion emperors. Everyone wants to be an emperor. Everyone strives for his own and his family’s power. There’s no sense of Res publica. Certainly no Augustinian sense of common love to hold a country together. What holds the country together is ambition. Therefore, it’s critical that the meritocracy be fair.
I rest my case.

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Re: "You can never be China's friend" : D. Goldman

Post by Jim the Moron » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:43 am

The entire interview is good stuff.

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Re: "You can never be China's friend" : D. Goldman

Post by neverfail » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:07 am

Jim the Moron wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:43 am
The entire interview is good stuff.
i agree!

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Post by cassowary » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:22 am

neverfail wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:18 pm
https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/10/artic ... -spengler/
What, in your view, is the biggest misconception about China in the West?

The single biggest misconception is that you have a wicked government and a good people. The Chinese have had 3,000 years for the government and the people to shape each other. The institution in the West that most closely resembles the Chinese system is, in fact, the Sicilian mafia. You have a capo di tutti capi who prevents the other capi from killing each other. Because they’re natural anarchists, they don’t like any form of government. They’re loyal to their families. The emperor is nothing but a necessary evil. The idea of public trust and subsidiarity that’s fundamental to democracy is unknown to the Chinese.
:lol: There is one particular person of Chinese ancestry we all know and love who reveals himself every other post to be steeped in this particular take on the relationship of civil society to government.
Talking about me?
The Imp :D

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Re: "You can never be China's friend" : D. Goldman

Post by cassowary » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:23 am

Chinese people have no friends? What nonsense.
The Imp :D

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Re: "You can never be China's friend" : D. Goldman

Post by Sertorio » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:32 am

neverfail wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:07 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:43 am
The entire interview is good stuff.
i agree!
Goldman should:

1. Watch CGTN (Chinese television)
2. Read a bit more about Confucianism

He might then say smarter things than he says in this interview.

And his worries about China's domination might be answered if Europe and Russia would become strategic partners. Something Americans - and probably Goodman - will do anything to prevent happening.

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Re: "You can never be China's friend" : D. Goldman

Post by neverfail » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:52 am

cassowary wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:23 am
Chinese people have no friends? What nonsense.
I thought that particular observation by Spengler might be a little suspect too.

Yet despite that possible omission; is he wrong in identifying Chinese society as one of dog-eat-dog competitiveness within: to the point where it is a society of ever ambitious anarchists held together from disintegration only by respect for the overriding power of their central government?

Spengler's comparison was with a Sicilian Mafia cell. It is only the power of the godfather that prevents the homicidal fiends who make up the cell's rank and file from slaughtering one another.

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Re: "You can never be China's friend" : D. Goldman

Post by Sertorio » Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:03 am

neverfail wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:52 am

Spengler's comparison was with a Sicilian Mafia cell.
Complete nonsense. Where is Goodman going to find these things?...

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Re: "You can never be China's friend" : D. Goldman

Post by Jim the Moron » Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:30 am

Sertorio wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:32 am
neverfail wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:07 am
Jim the Moron wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:43 am
The entire interview is good stuff.
i agree!
Goldman should:

1. Watch CGTN (Chinese television)
2. Read a bit more about Confucianism

He might then say smarter things than he says in this interview.

And his worries about China's domination might be answered if Europe and Russia would become strategic partners. Something Americans - and probably Goodman - will do anything to prevent happening.


As far as I know, David Goldman has no political ambitions. Neither is he particularly concerned about Europe and Russia becoming "strategic partners."

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Re: "You can never be China's friend" : D. Goldman

Post by neverfail » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:17 pm

Sertorio wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:03 am
neverfail wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:52 am

Spengler's comparison was with a Sicilian Mafia cell.
Complete nonsense. Where is Goodman going to find these things?...
Did you read the link interview in full?

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