Make Hong Kong Great Again

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What a joke.

Post by cassowary » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:09 pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48618484,

The Hong Kong people (henceforth will be referred to as the Hongkees - learn a few Singapore slangs, guys), does not want extradition treaty with China because they don't trust the Chinese legal system to be fair and impartial. There is no rule of law in China. Interestingly, Hong Kong has extradition treaties with 20 countries including the US, Singapore and UK. What does that tell you?

I find it hilarious. Hong Kong does not have extradition treaty with China, which Hong Kong is part of, but it has extradition treaty with China's arch enemy, the US. That means the Hongkees trust the Americans more than the Socialist dictatorship of China. And when Carrie Lam wants to have an extradition treaty with China, which HK is part of, there is a riot!

Ohahaha. Heeheehe. :lol: :lol: :lol: Guffaw.

Sertorio, take note. You with the fairy tale view of the world.
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Re: What a joke.

Post by neverfail » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:08 pm

cassowary wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:09 pm
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48618484,

The Hong Kong people (henceforth will be referred to as the Hongkees - learn a few Singapore slangs, guys), does not want extradition treaty with China because they don't trust the Chinese legal system to be fair and impartial. There is no rule of law in China. Interestingly, Hong Kong has extradition treaties with 20 countries including the US, Singapore and UK. What does that tell you?

I find it hilarious. Hong Kong does not have extradition treaty with China, which Hong Kong is part of, but it has extradition treaty with China's arch enemy, the US. That means the Hongkees trust the Americans more than the Socialist dictatorship of China. And when Carrie Lam wants to have an extradition treaty with China, which HK is part of, there is a riot!

Ohahaha. Heeheehe. :lol: :lol: :lol: Guffaw.

Sertorio, take note. You with the fairy tale view of the world.
Well, I might prefer the slang term "Honkers" for inhabitants of Hong Kong.

You know, honkers as with a gaggle of geese? :lol: :lol: :lol: ?

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Re: Make Hong Kong Great Again

Post by neverfail » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:23 pm

Doc wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:26 pm
The Beijing government agreed not to change anything in the governance of Hong Kong for 50 years.
That does not mean a lot over there. The agreement must have served its purpose by now so with changing political priorities the PRC government might decide that it is now redundant and bodily reincorporate HK back into China holus bolus.
Doc wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:26 pm
Carrie Lam is now using the excuse for towing the CCP line by saying she is the mother of the people of Hong Kong and she knows best.
As the date for Hong Kong's status as a "special economic zone" draws closer to extinction please expect more HK public officials to do whatever they can to ensure their own futures and the fortunes of their families by sucking up to the PRC government. The temptation for all but those who have prepared safe havens for themselves abroad must be strong.
Doc wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:26 pm
Without a atonomous Hong Kong the CCP will find that it banking options will be much smaller.
That very likely defines the reason why the PRC to date has let well enough alone with HK and the agreement. But do not expect them to honour the agreement forever.

Imagine if this mass opposition to the extradition legislation were to turn so violent that things spiraled out of control to the point where the HK authorities lost control of their own city. Do you believe that Beijing would not hesitate to send the (so called) Peoples Liberation Army in to restore order? Do you think that the "order" they would re-establish would be the old one again?

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Re: Make Hong Kong Great Again

Post by cassowary » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:41 am

neverfail wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:23 pm
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That very likely defines the reason why the PRC to date has let well enough alone with HK and the agreement. But do not expect them to honour the agreement forever.
That will be good for Singapore. All that banking business will leave HK and come to Singapore.
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Re: What a joke.

Post by Sertorio » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:07 am

cassowary wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:09 pm
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48618484,

The Hong Kong people (henceforth will be referred to as the Hongkees - learn a few Singapore slangs, guys), does not want extradition treaty with China because they don't trust the Chinese legal system to be fair and impartial. There is no rule of law in China. Interestingly, Hong Kong has extradition treaties with 20 countries including the US, Singapore and UK. What does that tell you?

I find it hilarious. Hong Kong does not have extradition treaty with China, which Hong Kong is part of, but it has extradition treaty with China's arch enemy, the US. That means the Hongkees trust the Americans more than the Socialist dictatorship of China. And when Carrie Lam wants to have an extradition treaty with China, which HK is part of, there is a riot!

Ohahaha. Heeheehe. :lol: :lol: :lol: Guffaw.

Sertorio, take note. You with the fairy tale view of the world.
In this particular case I think the people of Hong Kong are right in their protest. I wouldn't trust the Chinese judicial system, as I don't trust the American one.

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Re: Make Hong Kong Great Again

Post by Doc » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:56 am

neverfail wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:23 pm
Doc wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:26 pm
The Beijing government agreed not to change anything in the governance of Hong Kong for 50 years.
That does not mean a lot over there. The agreement must have served its purpose by now so with changing political priorities the PRC government might decide that it is now redundant and bodily reincorporate HK back into China holus bolus.
Doc wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:26 pm
Carrie Lam is now using the excuse for towing the CCP line by saying she is the mother of the people of Hong Kong and she knows best.
As the date for Hong Kong's status as a "special economic zone" draws closer to extinction please expect more HK public officials to do whatever they can to ensure their own futures and the fortunes of their families by sucking up to the PRC government. The temptation for all but those who have prepared safe havens for themselves abroad must be strong.
Doc wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:26 pm
Without a atonomous Hong Kong the CCP will find that it banking options will be much smaller.
That very likely defines the reason why the PRC to date has let well enough alone with HK and the agreement. But do not expect them to honour the agreement forever.

Imagine if this mass opposition to the extradition legislation were to turn so violent that things spiraled out of control to the point where the HK authorities lost control of their own city. Do you believe that Beijing would not hesitate to send the (so called) Peoples Liberation Army in to restore order? Do you think that the "order" they would re-establish would be the old one again?
NO But the CCP will, unlike 1989, pay a price for doing it.
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Re: What a joke.

Post by cassowary » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:57 am

Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:07 am
cassowary wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:09 pm
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48618484,

The Hong Kong people (henceforth will be referred to as the Hongkees - learn a few Singapore slangs, guys), does not want extradition treaty with China because they don't trust the Chinese legal system to be fair and impartial. There is no rule of law in China. Interestingly, Hong Kong has extradition treaties with 20 countries including the US, Singapore and UK. What does that tell you?

I find it hilarious. Hong Kong does not have extradition treaty with China, which Hong Kong is part of, but it has extradition treaty with China's arch enemy, the US. That means the Hongkees trust the Americans more than the Socialist dictatorship of China. And when Carrie Lam wants to have an extradition treaty with China, which HK is part of, there is a riot!

Ohahaha. Heeheehe. :lol: :lol: :lol: Guffaw.

Sertorio, take note. You with the fairy tale view of the world.
In this particular case I think the people of Hong Kong are right in their protest. I wouldn't trust the Chinese judicial system, as I don't trust the American one.
You may not trust the American judicial system but the Hongkees do. They have an extradition treaty with the US.

Actually you are an exceptional Portuguese. Since Portugal does have an extradition treaty with the US, I guess that means the Portuguese in general do trust the US judiciary.
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Re: Requiem for free Hong Kong.

Post by neverfail » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:07 am

:cry:

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/06/artic ... ong-dream/
China determined to crush Hong Kong dream

The CCP has never seen HK as anything more than unfinished business from China’s ‘century of humiliation’
Did anyone ever believe the Hong Kong story would end otherwise?

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Re: What a joke.

Post by Sertorio » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:41 am

cassowary wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:57 am
Sertorio wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:07 am
cassowary wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:09 pm
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48618484,

The Hong Kong people (henceforth will be referred to as the Hongkees - learn a few Singapore slangs, guys), does not want extradition treaty with China because they don't trust the Chinese legal system to be fair and impartial. There is no rule of law in China. Interestingly, Hong Kong has extradition treaties with 20 countries including the US, Singapore and UK. What does that tell you?

I find it hilarious. Hong Kong does not have extradition treaty with China, which Hong Kong is part of, but it has extradition treaty with China's arch enemy, the US. That means the Hongkees trust the Americans more than the Socialist dictatorship of China. And when Carrie Lam wants to have an extradition treaty with China, which HK is part of, there is a riot!

Ohahaha. Heeheehe. :lol: :lol: :lol: Guffaw.

Sertorio, take note. You with the fairy tale view of the world.
In this particular case I think the people of Hong Kong are right in their protest. I wouldn't trust the Chinese judicial system, as I don't trust the American one.
You may not trust the American judicial system but the Hongkees do. They have an extradition treaty with the US.

Actually you are an exceptional Portuguese. Since Portugal does have an extradition treaty with the US, I guess that means the Portuguese in general do trust the US judiciary.
Portugal refuses extradiction to the US whenever the penalty in the US for the crime in question exceeds the limits of the Portuguese law for the same crime. For instance, Portugal would refuse extradiction of anyone to the US who might get a life sentence there. That's how much we trust them...

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Re: Make Hong Kong Great Again

Post by Sertorio » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:17 am

If extradition to China is limited to people accused of a crime committed in China, and excludes residents of Hong Kong - who should instead be tried in Hong Kong -, maybe it should be considered acceptable.

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