What does Britain hope to gain from this?

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What does Britain hope to gain from this?

Post by neverfail » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:07 am

http://www.atimes.com/article/new-globa ... s-on-asia/

New ‘global Britain’ sets naval sights on Asia

Er, haven't we been here before?

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Re: What does Britain hope to gain from this?

Post by Milo » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:16 am

neverfail wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:07 am
http://www.atimes.com/article/new-globa ... s-on-asia/

New ‘global Britain’ sets naval sights on Asia

Er, haven't we been here before?
Perhaps it is better to ask what the country who gets the base would gain, bearing in mind that a much larger country is currently building enormous military bases right by it?

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Re: What does Britain hope to gain from this?

Post by Sertorio » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:26 am

Milo wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:16 am
neverfail wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:07 am
http://www.atimes.com/article/new-globa ... s-on-asia/

New ‘global Britain’ sets naval sights on Asia

Er, haven't we been here before?
Perhaps it is better to ask what the country who gets the base would gain, bearing in mind that a much larger country is currently building enormous military bases right by it?
The UK will just look ridiculous. Not much of a gain...

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Re: What does Britain hope to gain from this?

Post by neverfail » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:20 pm

Perhaps we Australians should offer them the option of letting them set up a naval base at Darwin on our northern coast. As Britain is a kindred English-speaking country with which mine has very strong historical and cultural ties it is therefore a country that we can comfortably do business with.

The Royal Navy last had a presence in Australia during the first decade of the 20th century; when they subsequently withdrew their flotilla from its base in Sydney harbour to make way for the fledgling Royal Australian Navy. That's now over 100 years ago.

Another advantage to us of allowing the Brits to establish their chief Asia-Pacific naval base here is that it would allow us to monitor and exercise some control over their activities in this part of the world- lest they inadvertently screw up my country's burgeoning relations with our Asian neighbours.

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Re: What does Britain hope to gain from this?

Post by Milo » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:34 pm

neverfail wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:20 pm
Perhaps we Australians should offer them the option of letting them set up a naval base at Darwin on our northern coast. As Britain is a kindred English-speaking country with which mine has very strong historical and cultural ties it is therefore a country that we can comfortably do business with.

The Royal Navy last had a presence in Australia during the first decade of the 20th century; when they subsequently withdrew their flotilla from its base in Sydney harbour to make way for the fledgling Royal Australian Navy. That's now over 100 years ago.

Another advantage to us of allowing the Brits to establish their chief Asia-Pacific naval base here is that it would allow us to monitor and exercise some control over their activities in this part of the world- lest they inadvertently screw up my country's burgeoning relations with our Asian neighbours.
But you will just look ridiculous :D

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Re: What does Britain hope to gain from this?

Post by Jim the Moron » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:06 pm

The "Prince of Wales . . ." Need I say more?

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Re: What does Britain hope to gain from this?

Post by cassowary » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:22 pm

neverfail wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:20 pm
Perhaps we Australians should offer them the option of letting them set up a naval base at Darwin on our northern coast. As Britain is a kindred English-speaking country with which mine has very strong historical and cultural ties it is therefore a country that we can comfortably do business with.

The Royal Navy last had a presence in Australia during the first decade of the 20th century; when they subsequently withdrew their flotilla from its base in Sydney harbour to make way for the fledgling Royal Australian Navy. That's now over 100 years ago.

Another advantage to us of allowing the Brits to establish their chief Asia-Pacific naval base here is that it would allow us to monitor and exercise some control over their activities in this part of the world- lest they inadvertently screw up my country's burgeoning relations with our Asian neighbours.
According to the article, the British is considering either Singapore or Brunei. If it happens, it will screw up relations with China for us - the same for Australia if Darwin is chosen as a base. But on the other hand, welcoming outside powers will boost freedom of movement in S China Sea which is important to Singapore's survival as a port. As you know, China has claimed 90% of S China Sea.

What has Britain to gain? Favorable trade terms with SE Asia countries in the form of FTA's in exchange of implied British protection allied with the US of course against China.
The Imp :D

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Re: What does Britain hope to gain from this?

Post by neverfail » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:14 am

cassowary wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:22 pm

According to the article, the British is considering either Singapore or Brunei. If it happens, it will screw up relations with China for us - the same for Australia if Darwin is chosen as a base. But on the other hand, welcoming outside powers will boost freedom of movement in S China Sea which is important to Singapore's survival as a port. As you know, China has claimed 90% of S China Sea.

What has Britain to gain? Favorable trade terms with SE Asia countries in the form of FTA's in exchange of implied British protection allied with the US of course against China.
Singapore, with its advanced facilities, would likely be their preferred base. But I suspect they are promoting Brunei as an alternative in order to get the best terms and conditions out of Singapore on the basis that if you don't play ball our way we can still take our business elsewhere.

Darwin would not be a great option; even though the Yanks are there already. During the Second World War Darwin was repeatedly bombed by the Japanese whilst our big metropolitan centres in the south were beyond the striking range of all aircraft of the day used by both sides. Whilst modern ICBM missiles have stripped away that buffer Australia still keeps its naval forces berthed in southern ports to keep those ships protected from surprise attack.

I suppose that as Britain is not under threat from anyone I suppose that it would pay them to dispatch elements of their fleet somewhere where they would be useful diplomatic tools Good luck to them if they can negotiate a clutch of profitable free trade treaties with the south-east Asian littoral states..
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China and its new assertiveness, especially re. the South China Sea, has created a real quandary for Australia. Of course we want to see it remain an international waterway. But against this we have to weigh up the indispensable value of our trade with this country - which is huge. We have not followed the US example of imposing sanctions on the PRC (nor will we) and our trade with the PRC is burgeoning. Each year, even each month, our 2 way trade seems to reach new highs. Not only in our mercantile trade in tangible goods but even in invisibles like tourism and education China has proven a rich source of wealth for this country (and unlike the US, the EU or canada our current account is one of Australian surpluses and PRC deficits). You might therefore understand why in this country we lack enthusiasm for Trump's "reade war' showdown for the PRC.

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Re: What does Britain hope to gain from this?

Post by Sertorio » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:14 am

The UK is an aged toothless bulldog. It should stop dreaming of the good old days when it could impose its will on the "natives"...

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Re: What does Britain hope to gain from this?

Post by neverfail » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:16 am

Sertorio wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:14 am
The UK is an aged toothless bulldog. It should stop dreaming of the good old days when it could impose its will on the "natives"...
It can't do that any more. These days the natives can bite back.

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