My general belief is that all societies evolve into democracies but at drastically different rates and it can take a bit of autocracy to get there.neverfail wrote: ↑Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:17 amI agree with you that the CCP would have paid any price to remain in control. But is that party being selfish by so doing?Milo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:24 pmTrade sanctions, against a regime that starved millions out of pure stubborn pride? I don't think so. China would have borne a very high price to stay a tyranny, as they do now.cassowary wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:56 pmTrade sanctions would have sunk the CCP. China was weak at that time. Now China has grown to an 800-pound gorilla. The CCP was discredited at that time with Tiananmen incident on their minds. Chinese saw America as a role model. Remember the Goddes of Democracy statue erected in the square?SteveFoerster wrote: ↑Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:50 amWhat, exactly, do you think he could have done?
You're wrong about what democracy is Cass and wrong about who is strong too. China is conning a lot of people and you're one of them.
Contributors to this website, not least of all our esteemed Cassowary, cling to the myth that if you remove tyranny from any given foreign country then automatically (it goes without saying) the country becomes a democracy (then we all live happily ever after?). In light of all of the ex-tyrannies we have observed from afar in recent times that did not do so, I humbly suggest that this belief is nought but romantic, self-indulgent twaddle.
Though some of you might have to leave your comfort zones, think outside the box to do this; I challenge you to contemplate that the choice for some may not be between tyranny and multi-party democracy but between tyranny and utter socio-economic breakdown and violent political disorder.
The way that China, a multi-ethnic imperial state, has been built up over the centuries by a succession of dynasties I judge that it can only be governed in much the way that it currently is. In that regard the CCP is not being selfish but acting responsibly as the latest of a long line of stewards over this ancient land's destiny.
No Milo. I don't get the impression that China is conning anyone. The difference is that China now has strong leadership and a clear policy direction. Contrast this with the ill led, vacillating, floundering, clueless West.
China is on the rise whilst the West is on the wane. It is as simple as that. Get used to it!
I agree that the current, corporatist CCP is a decent steward of China and I do believe that, given some time, democracy will come to China.
The way China is conning everyone is by gerrymandering its economic numbers.